I love your indoctrination list. Most of the people I engage with regularly do understand the list holds lies. Some don’t; where talk is possible we do so, and where it isn’t (so far) we politely disagree. You and I can talk (again) on the Earth’s carrying capacity for humans, and debate civilized vs sustainable, but otherwise I like your second set. I’m at 7 (second set, or one removed) minus zero from the first set equals 7. While I’d love to know what other readers get, and even discuss the particulars, I’d be surprised if there were many staunch negative results.

And before we get into the ‘change our ways’ lecture, I’d love to discuss a bigger view (my reply, last post) and the challenges we face stepping away from this insane way of (not really) living. And how we could build structures to ensure folks CAN step off while fighting within for the planet’s sake.

Are we building intentional communities with internal support structures so that people have community, care, connection AND the means for survival? Are we setting up communication chains to stay in contact adequately, even if we opt out of the insanity? Recall that I wanted to set up a system by which the entire community, through people’s associations (church, workplace, clubs, leagues, neighborhood, etc.), could be accounted for and guaranteed safe, should a catastrophe arise (direct-hit tornado, earthquake, massive power failure and/or water system failure, and more). The few folks I spoke with were dismissive, and it will take something big to change that, so I moved on. But the concept is there. And it’s not about lifestylism, it’s about survival outside the insanity, to me.

These kinds of changes are what interest me, so I’ll be looking forward to others’ comments and your future blogging.